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Speeding in a "Light Goods vehicle" (converted for disabled use)

Last post Sun, Apr 26 2009, 11:41 PM by PhillipM. 5 replies.
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  •  Sun, Apr 26 2009, 11:41 PM

    Re: Speeding in a "Light Goods vehicle" (converted for disabled use)

    Wow - there's a lot of knowledge out there! I think you're right - take it on the chin and know to keep to 60mph in the future. Wouldn've been nice to know from the outset though. Thanks all.
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  •  Sun, Apr 26 2009, 10:02 PM

    Re: Speeding in a "Light Goods vehicle" (converted for disabled use)

    The version with seats already was type approved for the UK as a passenger carrier and would be taxed as a diesel passenger car if it wasn't for you qualifying for the disabled bracket due to your daughter. The version without was type approved as a PLG vehicle and would not pay based on CO2. What is relevant to tax class is the information Mercedes fed the DVLA from the factory, not what you use the vehicle as now or what it looks like now.

    The odds are very good that your panel van 'flavour' was built to the N1 standard of panel vans/PLG vehicles. The window van 'flavour' would have been build to M1 passenger carrier standard. The two likely would not look identical, as you admit seats were added to the rear by the converter, rather than the rear most seats being removed by them. This is why your V5 says it has three seats when it has six. It left factory with 3. Chances are good you could have ordered a window van from Mercedes with the rearmost row of seats deleted and gotten a few hundred off the price for doing so, but that's beside the fact.

    You can ask the converters if they should have had the vehicle re-type approved for carrying passengers after their conversion was done because you understood you had a passenger carrier not a goods vehicle. Unfortuneately, to Mercedes, that van will still look like a goods van in their systems so they likely can't help you, and the DVLA will ask you to get a letter from the maker to state the vehicle was misclassified by the factory. Its just that from their point of view, its not misclassified. If you got on well with the converters, call them and explain the situation. Maybe they can submit something to indicate what they have done in the conversion has changed the purpose of the vehicle? I've been lead to believe that M1 vehicles are safer in the rear as they're intended to have people in instead of tools, but that would again be something to do more research into.

    Otherwise you'll just have to keep to lower speed limits and live and learn. At the end of the day, even if you were allowed to do 70mph, you were still speeding. Certianly by a lot less if you were classed as a car than a van though.

    • Post Points: 5
  •  Sun, Apr 26 2009, 8:25 PM

    Re: Speeding in a "Light Goods vehicle" (converted for disabled use)

    I am actually a driving instructor and the 10% allowance does not really exist. It is there for overtaking, when it is safer to do the 10% over to get past something in a hurry, than it is to slow down and get in behind. I think Tony Blair was responsible for getting rid of it anyway, though I am not 100% sure on than. You can still be stopped by the police for doing 6 miles over the speed limit even at 70 and if it was a speed camera that got you, it all depends on how low they are set. Some of them only allow for a couple of miles over. You can try, though, and I'd love to know how you get on.
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  •  Sun, Apr 26 2009, 7:22 PM

    Re: Speeding in a "Light Goods vehicle" (converted for disabled use)

    Thanks. I'm going to give the DVLA a bell in the morning. If I can get it re-classed, it's possible they will drop the rest as 76 is withint the 10% allowance. If you have any direct experience/it's your background, I'd love to know.
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  •  Sun, Apr 26 2009, 5:45 PM

    Re: Speeding in a "Light Goods vehicle" (converted for disabled use)

    You should phone the DVLA regarding getting it reclassed. However, 76 mph is 6 miles over the maximum speed limit, even if you had been driving a car. So I doubt you will get away with the speeding ticket.
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  •  Sun, Apr 26 2009, 2:59 PM

    Speeding in a "Light Goods vehicle" (converted for disabled use)

    Hi, I've just received the "Intention to prosecute" letter for doing 76mph on the A3. Initial reaction was, "you're joking". BUT, it turns out my Mercedes Vito which was converted with ramp for my disabled daughter is a Light Goods vehicle - news to me. The V5 tax class says "disabled". I think the problem is I was persuaded by the conversion company to take a panel van and add the seats rather than a already-seated version and tear them out to make space for the ramp. It turns out the Vito comes in "normal" and "Light Goods Vehicle" flavours (how was I to know?!). They look identical inside and out (allowing for the ramp).

    So my questions are:

    1. Anyone with experience/knowledge to indicate whether it's worth my while to contend/plead to the Magistrate;

    2. Can I get it reclassed to "normal". The V5 says it has 3 seats (clasic van) but in fact has 6.

    Cheers.

    • Post Points: 35